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Sell my Disc? Go to Jail!

Still think that found plastic is your plastic? Recently at Okeeheelee Park in Palm Beach County Florida police were called when it was discovered that somebody was harvesting plastic from the lake. The police agreed that since the plastic had the owner’s name on the disc that the harvester was, in fact, stealing. They recovered several discs from the perp as a result.
Taking plastic is against the law in South Florida. 

That was the post in my facebook page. Since then I have learned a few more details about the situation…

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What do you do with found plastic? Photo courtesy of Cubby’s Disc Golf World

Okeeheelee Park‘s disc golf course is located in Palm Beach County Florida. The park was the site of a rock quarry and it has since been landscaped. The result is a great South Florida course with some elevation changes and some interesting water holes.

Because the park is located on county property, disc golfers are prohibited from entering the water to retrieve their discs. Only a park approved individual can retrieve the discs in the water. That makes the lakes on the course juicy targets for disc harvesters, AKA squids, and they were raiding the lake constantly for OPD’s (other people’s discs). After noticing a squid or 2 wearing wet suits and removing the local club’s discs, Rich Appert – a local disc golfer and member of the Palm Beach Disc Golf Club – politely asked that the disc harvesting stop immediately.

After several unsuccessful attempts at mediation, and losing dozens of discs for months, the club decided that they would take the issue to the next level: They called the cops.

According to the local law enforcement officers, discs that have names or monikers on them are considered personal property and are “not abandoned”.  If you come across someone’s disc golf disc in Florida you are obliged to try and return it and or contact the owner of the disc. If you do not take these needed steps you are stealing someone’s disc golf discs. I have seen my own discs with the word “TooNA” emblazoned across the top for sale at online disc auctions.

The following video with Rich Appert and Dan Riggs shows one of several lake shots at Okeeheelee…

 

What do you do when you find someone’s disc? Here are some suggestions from Wickham Park’s Disc Golf website:

If you find someone else’s disc, you can do one of three things…

a) Leave the disc with the attendant at the Gate House as you leave the park. The lost disc will be taken to the office and the disc and contact info will be posted on the website and at the information kiosk. 

b) Bring the disc with you to the Weekly Sunday Doubles mini tournaments @ 10:00. Chances either that person will be there or a friend will be able to deliver the disc to the individual. 

c) Contact the owner of the lost disc yourself and make arrangements to have it returned. It’s a great way to fulfill a good deed and perhaps meet another appreciative golfer.

I would like to think that your personal situation with the local squids can be resolved to each others satisfaction. I do not mind paying a “vig”, or a “bounty”, or a “finder’s fee” for returned found plastic. Many grateful disc golfers feel the same way. Personally I feel that returning discs is the right thing to do.

Besides, isn’t it a karma thing?

 

More information on the Florida Laws covering these circumstances can be found here

  • Mike Jones says:

    It most certainly is not stealing once you abandon the disc. If you leave the park without the disc you lost, it is then abandoned. Don’t cry because someone else got in the water and retrieved your disc. If you wanted it so bad you should have retrieved it.

    February 25, 2014 at 4:17 pm
    • TooNA says:

      According to the police in Palm Beach County it is NOT abandoned. Why put your name on the disc at all then?

      February 25, 2014 at 4:38 pm
    • pat says:

      why dont you read this instead of just spouting off with your filthy suck hole it says Because the park is located on county property, disc golfers are prohibited from entering the water to retrieve their discs. Only a park approved individual can retrieve the discs in the water. they are crying because someone else got in the water and took it! If you do not take these needed steps you are stealing someone’s disc golf discs! you sir are a thief if you do and straight scum in my eyes

      February 25, 2014 at 4:59 pm
      • TooNA says:

        Pat a little civility can go a long way! How does the expression go? You get more flies with honey!
        If you want to win over someone to change their mind I find that approach works best for me.

        February 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm
      • adam says:

        Rediculous all of the people saying its yours after losing it. Its a doc. Get over it and cry a river. When I lose a disc I know its my fault….. if not my fault because of not seen while landing. Still get over it be and adult…………

        February 26, 2014 at 1:05 am
    • Bocephus Moonshine says:

      Mike, what if I look for it and can’t find it? Is it still considered abandoned? How do you know whether a disc you found was lost or abandoned when you find it?

      February 25, 2014 at 5:00 pm
    • Ben C says:

      Mike, the distinction between “lost” or “abandoned” is not all that relevant. The Florida Statute makes it clear that the finder has a duty to notify law enforcement of the find and provides that failure to do so and conversion of the lost or abandoned property for personal use or gain is theft. Don’t take my word for it, look it up.

      http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/705.102

      February 25, 2014 at 5:36 pm
      • TooNA says:

        Good post

        February 26, 2014 at 11:03 am
    • Jason says:

      ^^ Says the guy who obviously doesn’t call people back about discs. Go buy your own discs you cheap ass. Help grow the sports revenue a bit, maybe do something for the greater good? That’s like saying if you dropped your wallet that it’s up for free grabs once you leave the area it was lost at. So are you the guy who takes the cash out and returns the wallet or the guy who takes the cash and chucks the wallet in a garbage can?

      February 25, 2014 at 6:06 pm
    • Nunya says:

      As demonstrated by this article, the police disagree with you. I’ll take their opinion over randomdudeontheinternet any day.

      February 25, 2014 at 9:13 pm
    • JW says:

      Read it again, Mike. Park rules specifically prohibit golfers from going in the water for discs.

      February 25, 2014 at 9:21 pm
    • SapperInTexas says:

      I say Finders Keepers. I know that’s not what Florida law seems to say, but hey, what’s the worst that could happen? Some hippie disc-golfer is gonna kick my ass?

      February 25, 2014 at 9:49 pm
      • E-man says:

        Change ur name to A-holeinTexas ! We r all not hippies but great HONEST people excluding those w/ ur frame of mind !

        February 26, 2014 at 8:43 am
      • Jac Steer says:

        Or shoot you Sapperintexas. This is a stand your ground state, and if you are stealing discs, that gives us the right to shoot you. Come try us out!

        February 26, 2014 at 6:00 pm
    • E-man says:

      I hope I NEVER meet ya …. Mike Ahole Jones ! Ur BAD karma for the sport! I can’t wait to see ur mug shot after getting arrested !

      February 26, 2014 at 8:48 am
    • fishman says:

      If there is a name and number on the disc. Call the number and make an effort to return it. If there is not a name or number on the disc, its a freebie in my opinion. But to think this is finders keepers, get a life and grow up.

      February 26, 2014 at 10:48 pm
      • TooNA says:

        No name? That is a freebie!

        February 27, 2014 at 5:38 am
    • Mr. Blue says:

      Mike Jones…… From HOUSTON perhaps? Just thinking we had a disrespectful punk who had this kind of attitude and even called people to let them know they would never see their disc again….. YOU perhaps? I mention it because your post is almost VERBATIM the justification that punk gave. If it ISN’T you, then I laugh to think that someone else sticks to such a lame excuse.

      March 7, 2014 at 9:25 pm
  • Dana Smith says:

    We had a great discussion here in Tampa Bay about this on our Tampa Bay Disc Golf Lost and Found page on Facebook. We have some squids that steal the discs and some that help return the discs to their owners. The ones that steal will probably continue to do so, but this hurts the good squids. One thing we realized as a community is that maybe we need to “tip” a little better.

    The squids can bring the discs to the local disc golf shop where they give the squids maybe $2 per disc and they post it in a lost and found. You find your disc, you can “buy” it back from them, but mainly it is the finders fee plus a small processing fee (50 cents) for the disc golf store. The $2 isn’t worth it to the squids to bring it to the shop, but the good squids have been posting on our page and finding the owners, who hopefully are tipping them well enough to keep finding our discs for us.

    At Cherokee park it doesn’t appear that the squids have any value since the park fishes them out for you, but here in Tampa, they can be a great service, we just need to treat them right.

    February 25, 2014 at 4:46 pm
    • Mick says:

      The only time the $2 isn’t worth it is when the squids make more money just selling the discs. I’d say that most of them don’t even play disc golf. My local shop gives me the store credit when I bring them in, which I really like. It helps me get the discs back to their owners and it saves me some money when buying new discs. Sometimes you can bring in 20+ discs at a time, so it helps me when I need to replace my lost (and never returned) discs.

      February 26, 2014 at 9:22 am
    • TooNA says:

      Anyone who presents me with my disc is entitled to a bounty (vig, finder’s fee, etc) and I do not have a problem with that.
      I do have a problem with seeing my discs for auction on eBay or other disc golf auction sites

      February 27, 2014 at 5:41 am
  • RH says:

    I agree with Mr. Jones. As far as I’m concerned, once I walk away from one of my errant throws, that disc is gone. Is there hope that someone honest will find it and call me? Yep. I’d say I get about 1/2 of them back. Do I want someone prosecuted because they found one of my discs and didn’t call for whatever reason? No.
    Having said that, this might be a different situation if the water is clearly marked as “no disc retrieval” and people are doing it anyways. We have a course up here in PA with a lake that swallows a TON of discs throughout the year, including six of mine so far. There are signs posted everywhere indicating that no disc retrieval / swimming is allowed. In that situation, perhaps a fine is warranted (as the local sign threatens. I think it’s $400) but I still don’t think the right course of action is calling it theft when someone finds something that I lost and gave up on.

    February 25, 2014 at 5:07 pm
    • TooNA says:

      For what its worth they did try the mediation route, but the perps kept it up.

      February 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm
  • txDGer says:

    Wow it sounds really horrible that people are rescuing discs that would otherwise be gone, or left for a “park approved individual” to retrieve. Sounds like you would rather all those discs just lay at the bottom of the lake for eternity than let any one else get use out of them. Think about it, you can replace the word discs with plastic and suddenly these people are simply cleaning up litter from our nation’s waterways. Try spreading some positivity about disc golf, which would include allowing your lost discs, because thats what they are, to be “harvested” by “squids”, because its not like they aren’t working for them. This kind of attitude from disc golfers makes me really sad, because it comes down to people being greedy and petty. Grow up. Treat others with kindness and consider their needs at least as much as you do your own.

    February 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm
    • TooNA says:

      The discs do get collected regularly. The lakes in this case are off limits to retrievers. Sometimes there are gators or snakes in the lakes in Florida and sometimes people drown – most times nothing happens, but the park does not want to be liable I am thinking.
      At Heritage Park in Plantation FL, we have a certified diver/ fireman. At Easterlin Park in Fort Lauderdale the park personnel use a rig that resembles a large rake.
      The lakes are off limits to all people so they cannot willingly collect thier “litter”

      February 25, 2014 at 5:40 pm
      • Notrepidation says:

        And THAT is the rub. The park obviously does NOT allow a player to retrieve his “lost plastic” from the lake. This FACT is the determining factor in my opinion. Here in South Texas (San Antonio), although we do have water holes, we have nowhere near the amount of liquid on our courses but make no mistake, the whole “find a disc and return it” debate is alive and well. To me, the the situation here is simple. If the authorities restrict a person from actually attempting to retrieve their lost disc, it is STILL their property and can in no way be considered abandoned. If a person can be cited for going in the water to get property that belongs to them and that person follows the law and refrains from collecting their plastic, then some Dbag breaks the law and goes in the water to get it, seems like a pretty cut and dry thing to me. Sure the squid “worked” to get it….but as the authorities refuse to allow players in the water to get their discs, the disc still belongs to the owner!

        February 25, 2014 at 7:17 pm
    • Scavengergirl says:

      “Treat others with kindness and consider their needs at least as much as you do your own.”

      Hopefully those taking discs that others paid for without park permission will take this to heart.

      February 25, 2014 at 7:38 pm
      • TooNA says:

        I wish there was a “Like” button for posts!
        Like!

        February 26, 2014 at 6:52 am
  • christian cullen says:

    Finding discs and not calling the number is stealing, plain and simple. Also I’ve found that if you’re looking for flies, forget the honey and use dog crap. People like Mike Jones rarely change their tiny little minds.

    February 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm
  • J says:

    I’m so confused. These are just pieces of plastic. Surely there are more in the world? If it costs $2.50 to purchase a new/retrieved/reclaimed one, what is the big flippin’ deal? Let the squids do their thing. If you were silly enough to let it go all willy-nilly in the first place, then you should pay the finder’s fee to replace/repurchase it. In fact, the squids are actually doing you a SERVICE by finding it for you, so you should pay them for their time and material spent. All of this over pieces of plastic. LAWLZ.

    February 25, 2014 at 6:49 pm
    • TooNA says:

      Squids approved by the park perform a service and are entitled to a bounty IMHO. Squids who harvest and then sell all plastic – without attempting to return – are stealing

      February 25, 2014 at 7:22 pm
  • Mike Jones says:

    If it is such a big deal that others go in the water and use the discs, then why don’t YOU go in the water and retrieve your own discs? And if you are not going to go in the water, what good will that disc do for anyone just sitting at the bottom of the water? It’s not about having money to buy discs, which I do, it’s about finding lost/abandoned goods. It’s the same as people who use metal detectors. Do you bash them? No, so don’t bash those who pond dive. And no, it is not the same as finding a wallet on the course. You are comparing apples and oranges there. And if I have to explain to you how they are different, you wouldn’t understand anyways. No matter what any of you say, I’ll still pond dive and use/sell your discs happily =)!

    February 25, 2014 at 9:18 pm
  • Michael Rogers says:

    Obviously this is a moral issue, if you find ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, that has contact information on it and you don’t make the call then you didn’t do the right thing, period. If you don’t like calling it “stealing” then at least acknowledge that it is wrong. And.. I agree, If parks don’t allow swimming/retrieving then what good is it to leave the discs on the bottom? Shouldn’t someone be compensated for going down and retrieving the discs, it’s simple salvage compensation at that point. Obviously people that just going out and salvaging discs just to resell is wrong, here is a great solution: Discs are not all that expensive! DON’T BUY SALVAGED DISCS! Especially ones with phone numbers… pretty simple.

    February 25, 2014 at 10:26 pm
  • Chris says:

    Mike, the fact of the matter is that law forbids you to go into the water to begin with. The Squids taking these discs are already doing something that is prohibited by going into the water. If I am following the rules by not going after my disc and somebody else comes along and disregards those rules to get my disc, that is wrong. It is also wrong to find a name and phone number on that disc and not think to contact that person before claiming it as your own. Other courses with different rules about going into the water are a totally different story, legally speaking. I still say that ethically and morally you should feel obligated to return the disc before claiming it, but maybe that’s just me.

    February 25, 2014 at 10:55 pm
  • Big daddy squid. says:

    Is this the point at which we begin to talk about what is legal and not legal in a Florida county park. Cuz smokin a big fat one that gets you to paranoid to jump into the lake that could be possessed by the lock mess monster or anything else that may trip you out that the squids don’t worry about cuz they are not using illegal drugs at said park. I know this is true cuz I’m said squids dad. As far as the law and property goes. Say what you will but I go to auctions all the time where the police sell off unclaimed items all the time. Possession is 9/10tha of the law. I’m not gonna judge u for what u choose to do to your brain but if I ain’t in Colorado it aint legal. The alleged perp squids have returned a good share of discs to fellow disc golfers that are cool and have their head on straight not belligerent and making accusations without looking into the entire situation. There are plenty of ways to work this out. Pdga official numbers should be returned to club for minimum
    Lame 2 bucks. ( this should go to 4 bucks but that’s just an opinion. ) any other disc marked then said squids make two attempts to reach the owner and after that. Place your bid. The cool thing about disc golf is their are unwritten and written rules in which for the most part people honor. But in all cases that I’ve seen and I’ve Ben throwing for over twenty years they are usually worked out without politics laws policies and most anything else this great nation has learned to control. When u let go of a disc and it heads out over the water please be honest with your self. I usually here awwww $*€##> that’s a gonner. I have never heard any one say or at least until now ” no worries some squid will retrieve it and give it back or else I’m gonna tell my mom!! Or the cops.

    February 25, 2014 at 8:15 pm
  • Dan says:

    Okeeheelee Disc Golf is in the process of installing a disc drop box. If you find a disc you be able to put your name on the disc and drop it in the box. If the real owner either doesn’t want it or doesn’t pick it up after a certain time the disc will go to the person who dropped in the box. I hope this helps in getting the discs to the rightful owners. Dan

    February 25, 2014 at 8:45 pm
    • Big daddy squid says:

      I think that’s a good idea but if we keep the squids out the box has little chance of yielding much plastic because most of the discs lost or abandon or whatever word we choose to call it are in the water, so I think their should be a compromise on that issue with both golfers and squids alike. By the way most squids are avid disc golfers as well.If the law steps in then so be it, but I’ve never called them nor will I unless a life was at risk or in danger. I clearly understand that a quick comeback would be people swimming in the lake are in danger but that’s not the point. Personally i would rather not tie up tax dollars over some frisbees. I want to be clear that this is a great sport a great course and a lot of effort went into this place to allow the sport to grow so props to all who have been part of those efforts job well done .

      February 25, 2014 at 11:05 pm
    • TooNA says:

      Awesome idea

      February 26, 2014 at 6:56 am
  • Hope says:

    Wow! Some of the responses I’ve seen sicken me! I knew there were jerks out there that fished for discs and kept them. And those who believe in finders keepers. I never thought I would kind of sorta meet one. Not only one, but there are a few of you on here I see.You’re lucky its not in person cause you all need to be smacked! If you want to be a jerk, go play something else! To everyone else that has returned lost discs, you rock! That is what this sport is all about, kind times in mother nature!

    February 25, 2014 at 11:53 pm
  • TooNA says:

    Florida laws says “(3) It is unlawful for any person who finds any lost or abandoned property to appropriate the same to his or her own use or to refuse to deliver the same when required.”
    Also:”(4) Any person who unlawfully appropriates such lost or abandoned property to his or her own use or refuses to deliver such property when required commits theft as defined in s. 812.014, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.”

    February 26, 2014 at 7:04 am
  • Denny Garkey says:

    There is no way to legislate good manners. At our disc golf club, we encourage all to put their name and number on all discs. We call on any disc we find and make arrangements to return it. We also post lost discs on our facebook page, and describe what and where it was lost. Returning discs is a good way to meet others/make friends/grow your disc golf club. And you may meet a hot chick! If you fail to put your name/number on a disc, it is fair game to whoever found it, but if you are in the club, still post it to facebook and see if you get a response. We had a flood one year and 50+ discs came up from the bottom and the park district called our club, and we called all the owners we could locate. If you return discs, discs will be returned–this is called karma.

    February 26, 2014 at 6:03 pm
    • TooNA says:

      If you take the time and make the effort you have done all you can. You have met your obligation IMHO

      February 27, 2014 at 5:38 am
  • Sam says:

    Squeaky wheels got the grease: okeeheeleesquid.tumblr.com.
    Here is a venue to recover your lost discs from PBC courses.

    March 2, 2014 at 9:15 pm
    • TooNA says:

      Do you ever attempt to contact the owners? Do you know the locals? Are you allowed in the area lakes?

      March 3, 2014 at 6:29 am
  • Jason M Rigler says:

    it’s hard not to think of people who dive for discs and then sell them on ebay or facebook (without contacting owners first) as thieves. I would relate them to people who take bags or discs that were accidentally left on a hole, or sitting out in a parking lot briefly unattended. Pretty much the same right? You made an effort to collect what appears to be an “unpossessed” disc. Sure you had to go in the water to get the discs, but working harder for it, doesn’t make it more honorable to walk away it. And most of us would very much agree, that if you took a bag of discs, sitting in the parking lot near some “cars” that would be stealing. That being said , I don’t expect people to do what i think is “honorable” or even legal. You just accept that the world operates in ways that “you” may not approve of.

    When i find a disc, i make every attempt to return it. I don’t want a fee. It would be silly for me to think that everyone thinks the same as I do. I am not going to judge someone who handles it some other way. For some, being a squid is a valuable service. If you fetch peoples lost discs, it’s reasonable to request a fee. Whatever fee you want. I’d like my disc back and I wasn’t going to get it out of there…

    if you fetch discs and make no attempt to return it to the obvious owner, that’s your call. You may make more money selling them, that is capitalism, happens every second. Doubt i could “talk you out of it”.

    Whatever squids find a way to make it a win/win will benefit the most overall. Same with clubs/parks. FInd a way to legitimize squiding. Paying $5 plus for a disc you were not going to retrieve and you want back isn’t unreasonable i think.

    March 3, 2014 at 9:34 am
    • TooNA says:

      I have got some guy that has my bag of discs w/Phenix strap stolen from me 5 years ago. He contacted me on facebook to let me know he had my bag and showed me pics of the discs. It looks as though he intends on keeping them. Several OOP discs and Ace discs. He was just teasing me it would seem – goes by the name of Ryan – https://www.facebook.com/ryan.craig.18
      As far as I am concerned he is in possession of stolen property.
      I never keep people’s discs. I totally believe in Karma

      May 22, 2014 at 9:06 am
  • Big daddy squid says:

    Nothing else needs to be said. Their are those that know the truth and those that fabricate it.

    March 4, 2014 at 7:34 pm
    • HUk says:

      There is something to be said for ‘yellow retrievers’ and other non evasive retrieval techniques. Guys like MJ who dont even read before they post are worthless. Karma is a bitch and regardless of the laws of FL dirtbags are dirtbags. I assume the “squids’ spend the rest of their time diving into dumpsters to get abandoned goods as well. Or maybe they are fox minded and pray on those who follow ‘codes of ethics’. Big daddy call us all fabricators if you want but you are the one who raised a thief.. This is a moral discussion if not a legal one. Steal my discs if you want, if i find out i punch you in your face. Is that easy enough to understand?

      March 5, 2014 at 5:14 pm
  • Big daddy squid says:

    Just wanted to check one last time where this was headed. It’s clear it’s not headed in the right direction. I sincerely apologize for getting caught up in this discussion. Throwing blows is where I check out. Been their and it ain’t worth it for any side one takes,words have now gone to far including on my end I will be honest for that was never intended. Moral or legal either way I’m out..still love the sport always will, never stole a disc and never will. Never raised a thief and I never will.so for me this has gone far enough. Sorry it all came down to this. I really am.

    March 7, 2014 at 11:50 pm
  • TooNA says:

    One of our squids got a 175 gram crystal z avenger ss out of the lake – no name!

    March 9, 2014 at 3:45 pm
  • Justanotherdiscgolfer says:

    Sapperintexas…. So one can only assume by Sapper that you have earned the Sapper tab in The US Army. You must be one of those that don’t care much about the Army Values. Finders keepers? I wonder how much of your fellow Soldiers’ OCIE/TA-50/RFI gear you’ve “found” and kept. And as for hippie disc golfers, the diversity in the disc golfing community is well beyond just “hippies.” Not disc related : serve your country, not yourself.

    July 21, 2014 at 5:18 pm

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